«The gays thought I was the same.» Zhulin's killer interview — about Russia and enemies

img src =»/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/b55e4923b85ed6957640723b95477c00.png» /Honored coach of Russia in figure skating Alexander Zhulin became a guest of the Sport show «In two words». In a long interview, the specialist told how he really treats LGBT people, which of his former students writes «Burn in hell, nits», why he will not take Diana Davis and Gleb Smolkin, participants of the 2022 Olympic Games, into his group, who will help Roman Kostomarov, why deputies should not get involved in the life of athletes and how Russia will save the whole world.

— The most important question right away: tell us, finally, what is it like to walk for nine months with a stomach?

— Well, this is more a question for Sasha Stepanova, of course. I can say for sure that in the nine months with her stomach, she really missed the ice. I perfectly understand what it is like when an active athlete drops out for a year. But Sasha and Vanya (Bukin) have not fully realized themselves yet, so everything is still ahead. I am very pleased with how they are working now.

— What month was Alexandra when she contacted you?

— After the birth of a child.

— That is, not on » Ice Age»?

— No, no, there we just met Vanya for the first time, before that I didn’t know him so well. On the «Glacial» it was necessary to train him — and so they became close. For my part, I did not take any steps to get them to me. />

Which of them «clicked»?

— Don't know. But based on their communication with the coaches and the press, I realized that they are very grateful to the previous coaching staff. They just decided to change something, because there is not much time left — until the same Olympics, for example. Maybe they wanted to make some kind of leap…

— And go to the sworn competitor.

— Why to the sworn? I am a very good person. In my opinion, we all enjoy our joint work.

— It just seemed that Alexandra and Ivan, over the years of work, had completely grown together with Svinin and Zhuk. This was noticeable even in the manner of communication.- You know, I never discuss my fellow coaches. Apparently, the guys just wanted higher seats. Still, I coached three couples who became Olympic champions.

— And how?

— Well, I won't reveal any secrets. But there are a couple of components that they lacked.

— For example, Alexandra's slip?

— You could say yes.< br>

— Is it possible to improve this already at a conscious age?

— Of course. Not always, it depends on the student, the coach is still not God. But after working with Sasha for just a week, I realized that she was moving in the right direction. She is a very smart and capable girl. I think this story you mentioned could be improved.

You know, it's like football. Recently, Manchester City played Real Madrid. You look at them and you understand that City may not have the best players in the world, Real Madrid will have a stronger squad. But the coach arranged everything in such a way that it was a pleasure to watch. Here, too, a lot will depend on how we work together.

Yes. And Sasha will be Holland.

— To be Holland means to endure everyone in the world.

“Well, first we need to gather everyone in the world. So far I don't see how this can be done. Nevertheless, I really hope that this will be the case. And that I will get to my 11th Olympiad.

— In Cortina d'Ampezzo?

—Nobody.

— Is this a season without Rachmaninoff?

So he's not trendy. Tchaikovsky too. In general, I notice that fashion is changing a lot, and the music that used to sound like a bang now looks like it was taken out of naphthalene.

— For example?
— Do you think she didn’t drop in at Lisa’s with Pavel (Shanaeva/Drozda)?

> — Well, here's how to put more. Apparently I just screwed up. But I had the feeling that we moved back ten years. It was in demand in the time of Bestemyanova/Bukin, in my time also, but now something else is needed.

— Well, then, who was put under the Shaman? I do not put under shamans. In general, the season will begin — you will see.

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— Are boring times coming?

— Yes, not really. They just built everything the way they want. They put Americans, Canadians and British in the WADA, in the technical panel (ISU on ice dancing) too. And if we want to somehow exist in the civilized world, we need to learn this. Once upon a time, Vyacheslav Fetisov sat in WADA, Vyacheslav Koloskov was listened to in football by everyone, Vitaly Georgievich Smirnov was an outstanding figure.

That's what we should strive for. And now we are in a situation where they tell us — here we have a new rhythm dance, the theme of the 80s. There must be something fun like that, because it was then that the LGBT style was invented — so we must correspond to this. In our country, this is not welcome, but in order to follow the rules, we must understand what kind of style it is. strong>

— You can, of course. But I clearly understand that they want to see ABBA, Boney M, Celentano. So that everything is in sparkles, so cool. I like the idea, by the way. But I found some music, it was recorded in 1989 and released in January 1990. br>No! Well, why not leave this gap — you can 90th and 91st on one side and 78th and 79th on the other. There would be much more variety.

I also think with horror that when this is all over in the world, we will have to return with one quota in each event. And no one will wait for us there, they will agree on everything without us. This is a terrible thing.

—Do you think that in order to achieve big goals you will have to break up pairs and reunite them?

—Not thought about it, there are much more important tasks. And break a couple of things for me.

— Are you considering Khudaiberdiyeva with another partner?

— With which one?

— Well. And why is this partner bad?

— The age difference is big, for example.

— What is it? Six years? My wife and I are 23 years old, and I'm happy.

— Well, it's not like going to the Olympics there.

—What's the difference ?

— Here, even «Ice Age» will be difficult to win.

— They look absolutely harmonious. Still, she is not 62, and he is not 24. Here you have perverted thoughts, of course … I never even thought in this direction. The boy is young, everything is fine. Maybe Sinitsina/Katsalapov have a big difference? There, five years in total, and here — six.

strong> Sinitsina/Katsalapov is another case. There is love.

— Well, you do not understand one more thing — remember how long they rolled. They got into a couple — the beauty is inhuman, but how long they rolled down to become a real couple. Then the judges still have to fall in love with you, because they get used to certain combinations. When Vika got up after Elena Ilinykh with Nikita, the beauty was beautiful, but it is difficult for the eye to get used to it. Ilinykh was like — wow, and Vika — more academic. That's why it's so indiscriminate to talk about breaking up couples… It's not all that simple.- This is, firstly, a question for Eteri Georgievna. And secondly, now definitely not, because I have enough people to work with. And in general, it seems to me that they somehow disappeared a little from the field of view. No one understands who they will advocate for at all.

—According to our information, they are considering Israel.

—I heard three options— Israel, America and Russia. They have not appeared in Russia for a long time.

—America, apparently, has refused…

— In my opinion, it is better to address the question to Eteri Georgievna. Although she may not know the answer herself yet.

— Honestly, I feel good now. I am not considering any offers.

— In general, how would it be more profitable for you — so that they, as your competitors, advocate for Russia or not? Still, at the same 2026 Olympics, you will fight them anyway.

— Five years ago I would have answered this question, but now I just live for today. You yourself understand that we do not even know where and when we will perform. Every morning we open the phone and see what happened that day. Nobody knows whether we will participate in the Olympics and under what flag. Therefore, I don’t even feel like thinking about something and talking about Davis/Smolkin.

«I see a bell — Roma Moskva. A very bad thought flashed through …»
— But anyway, the goal is to win the Olympics?

— I have it, of course. I'm not going to give it up.

I remember you once said that hooligans win the Olympics. People like Kostomarov.

— Yes. The only thing is that it rather refers to the male sex, because, for example, Anechka Shcherbakova is a completely gorgeous girl … Although, maybe she is a hooligan, who knows.

But in general — yes. A hooligan and in a good sense of the word a little crazy … Here Romka (Kostomarov) was an excellent example of this. His sense of posture is phenomenal, but he's a bully. At the same time, the person is very reliable. He is such a lump, you feel very confident with him. This is a strong quality. And when a person asks you before the start: «Will I succeed?» That's all, goodbye. This person will never win anything.- Roman didn't ask? He just looks at you like you're a moron, that's all. He's already set up, he's going to vomit. Tanya was the same, Nikita … All of them, these champions, are extraordinary people. Now, in general, there are a lot of discussions that three students become successful. Excellent students do not invent anything, but a C student has learned one ticket out of 20 and is thinking how to make it so that he gets it.

The same applies to hooligans — they adapt better to life. «Hooligan» — this does not mean that you have to beat everyone's faces and pour champagne on them. You have to be brave, you have to be belligerent. You have to fight on the ice.

— Kostomarov is still fighting, getting out of a hopeless situation. Due to this too?

— The family is still there. Mom, beautiful wife, two gorgeous children. Romka — he's just such a person, doubting too. But when it was over, he called me and said he could handle it. I liked it very much. I told him that, if he wants, I will 100% take him as a coach or someone else in any capacity. Roma needs help now. But the main thing is that he help himself, come up with a plan for his future life.

— Was it unexpected when he called you?

— Of course . I have it recorded in the phone «Roma Moscow», from America it still remains so. I see a call — and my hands are trembling. Well, we all had it already … We didn’t know who to pray and what to do.

— Did you think that maybe Roman is not calling?

— To be honest, a very bad thought flashed through my mind — maybe Oksana (Domnina) is calling from his phone, something happened. But Romka called, we talked to him. I was very glad that his voice was, well, human, normal. No depression. I know that psychologists work with him, Oksana is there every day. I think he has already begun to rethink what happened. I really hope that he will even appear in skates.

strong>- There was a feeling that at first everyone was in touch with Oksana, and then even close people were already afraid to disturb her.

— Just everyone got her. Plus, she's tired of reading fake news. Some kind of nurse for 300 dollars tells terrible things … Well, maybe it’s true that Roma wakes up and screams like a wolf there. But what is this, it is necessary to take it out on demand?

I can imagine what it's like for her to read, what it's like for a mother. This is simply horror. You journalists are good people, but sometimes you go too far for the sake of momentary gain. At some point, I also stopped bothering Oksana. A couple of times I wrote sms, I understood the situation — that's all. In such cases, it is better not to pull people. It is you who are paid money for this — not us.

In the last conversation with Roma, I said that as soon as he felt that he was ready, I would visit him. But I don't hold back. Leave the person alone, don't. There is Oksana, children, many people who are ready to help — Matytsin, for example. Yes, and Putin, too, I'm sure. Roma will not be lost, everything will be fine.

—I remember when there was a discussion about the methods of confronting the Montreal school (ice dancing, whose representatives won the last two Olympics), you said that to develop their direction of «men» and «women» (betting on the traditional Russian school). With recent events, is there a feeling that this concept has failed?

— No way! It seems to me that their concept is now suffering a hard crash.

— Well, of course. And the current Olympic champions?

— No, guys, well, I'm not talking about that. Papadakis/Cizeron are an outstanding couple. In ballet, there are no dancers with such gifts as Sizeron. This is an isolated case. An outstanding partner, the girl does not spoil him, they rolled up well. And the direction they have chosen suits them very well. But when all the other couples from their group go on the ice and start skating about the same thing, it starts to tire.

Therefore, Sinitsina/Katsalapov just looked like a bright spot in this story for me. Now I have a pair of the same caliber — and clearly «man and woman.» This must be shown. We must not forget that in addition to «parent-1» and «parent-2» there are mom and dad, husband and wife, who make children. Not only do they cry over «Brokeback Mountain» — they also cry over «The Fate of Man». And over other films glorifying a man and a woman.

No, I have nothing against if people of a different orientation came out on the ice and skated better. I acknowledge it. It means that they have achieved success in their direction. I've heard — I didn't hold a candle, but nevertheless, that Scott Moir, it turns out, is also that person …

— Well, just imagine.— And this is with Tessa Virtue, who is also a classic «woman»?!

— Who knows now. You won't understand. But as a partner — whoever he was (in life), I absolutely do not care — he was «main» absolute. Yes, and Sizeron, if he had not stroked himself a couple of times in the program, is also not bad. You look at him — normal, handsome …

Again, I don't care. If some of our tractor driver Vasya Pupkin from the village of Kukuyevo comes out — well, it’s a classic “main”, but all clumsy, then I’d rather put Sizeron in first place. There is after all the concept of beauty.

I also had a story. When I skated «Vivaldi», the gays told me: «Come on? You have such beautiful lines, poses. And you don't ..?». And I told them: «No.» They were downright disappointed. And I'm pleased.

—But the classic «Mansch» seems to soon be completely intolerant. Everything will come down to a unisex aesthetic.

— Here it is necessary to define what a classic «men» is. Figure skating is a beautiful sport, here you need to be able to skate everything. You have to prepare yourself for any productions. Previously, for example, there were Jan Hoffman and Vladimir Kovalev. Both world champions, but if we turn on the cassette now, you will laugh at their choreography, plasticity. Although the one and the other are «mains».

strong>—I went to see Vladimir Nikolayevich in the village—he explained to me for three hours how stupid Americans are.

— And he did the right thing! (laughs). So, at that time his skating was aesthetic. Therefore, when Toller Cranston appeared, we had women thrown out onto the ice in packs. Toller — he is simply «purple», God rest him, but our women did not understand that only a person of non-traditional sexual orientation could ride so beautifully. He has such poses, he opens his legs so beautifully. They imagine that after that they will come home — there the drunken husband asks for potatoes. And then there's Toller Cranston. They sob: «That's what a real man should be!». The 70s were in the yard. It seems that I was sent to figure skating only because Toller Cranston was there.

Therefore, everything must be proportionate. On the other hand, tolerance… Well, where did it all go? Transgenders began to swim. You changed from a man to a woman, but your lungs are still five liters. Women have an average of two liters. You are still a man, just remade — you compete with women, you win. And even American transgender communities have already begun to say that this is unfair, we need to return everything back. Because it's really dishonest.

But I would recommend it to women. Changed into a man — go compete. You can't take anything higher than 60th place.

— And there was a Finnish transgender figure skater recently.

— Oh, it's terrible. That's where it is, in fact, everything is moving. Someone said that the only country that will remain normal is Russia. And she will save the world. I firmly believe in it. I looked at what is happening in the world — they opened the overton window and are moving there with leaps and bounds. them.

—You see, this is some kind of absolutely clearly built political history. Maybe this is all very simply explained … Perhaps the coronavirus, and special operations, and these transgender people are all in order to reduce the population of the planet.

— According to this logic, they begin to reduce, it turns out, from their own population.

— Well, I have a feeling that some kind of Sabbat is going on. I can't believe it. In Norway, they recognized, for example, that pedophiles are normal. Well, he can't have sex with anyone else, but he can with a 9-10-year-old boy. And what is he to blame for?

— Do you keep in touch with any of the Americans?

— No, I feel good here too . And there is no special desire to communicate.

— Why did it happen at all? Previously, you worked with them, everything was fine, but now you speak so harshly about them. Smile, «Hi, how are you?» and all this. Happy, it seems, but in fact everything is false and false. Now we see the same in politics.

I clearly understand that everything is built on lies. We have our own, albeit poor ones, and if we learn how to make machines and other chips, then in general we will have no equal. In general, I am becoming a terribly patriot, more and more every day. Why now?

— I have seen enough of what is happening around, and I have traveled around the world myself. We are one of the few countries where Christianity and normal human values ​​remain. We do not dismiss the fact that LGBT people exist, for God's sake, let them be, I am tolerant in this respect. But there are human values ​​that are put at the forefront, and they cannot be simply swept away and trampled on.

—But there are also many pious people in the West who have a classical view of the world.

— Well, somehow it's more and more in the Disneyland format. Demonstration performances, not really.

— Are we really?

— Yes. There are many mistakes — both in politics and in many other places. Everyone knows and sees this. But from the point of view of the overall picture, Russia is a unique country.

—You say that you are tolerant. At the same time, both Timothy Leduc and Adam Rippon flew from you.

— Well, he was already completely crazy — he said that he was not «he», but «it». Is he a tree or someone else…

— Are you talking about Leduc?

— Yes. He hasn't decided what to call himself. «It».

— The first non-binary athlete in the history of the Olympics. He went down in history.

— What does a non-binary athlete mean?

“He's actually a nice guy. We talked with him at the Beijing Olympics, he has his own philosophy, he explained it in detail.

— Okay, let's say. But why should I, Alexander Zhulin, honored coach of Russia, coach of Olympic champions, discuss this Leduc? Why are we even talking about it at all? No, I understand that if I have sex with a pig tomorrow, all the newspapers will write about it — «Zhulin, having three daughters and a beautiful wife, fucked a pig.»

— Of course, we will write.

— Well, they use this. «I feel like a tree and I want to fuck with the clouds» — well, this is ridiculous.

— But why offend him?

— Because what I want. I'm disgusted, I don't want to talk about it at all.

— I'm a Russian man, I'll offend him now. So?

— Not at all. Well, Rippon — he offends Kamila Valieva. Well, have you ever seen yourself? Where are you and where is Kamila Valieva? She doesn't speak up about Rippon because he's shit. That's all. She doesn’t even have time to talk about him — she trains herself, jumps a quadruple sheepskin coat at such a height. And some Rippon with the unfortunate Ashley Wagner, who never won anything, is being discussed.

That's why I said that he should shut up. I'm just offended that Russians are constantly offended. And who is offended? Who are they?

— They are waiting for the medals of the Olympic Commander.

— Here! Why are they so eager to bury us so that people like Rippon and Leduc become Olympic champions.

—Aren't you drawn to this story with gold medals? br>
— No.

— Well, these are the medals of your guys as well.

— So what now? I understand perfectly well that they will not give us them.

— Maybe they will.

“Maybe they will when it’s all over.” In general, it seems to me that if everything ends, a lot of things will turn back in our direction. And if it doesn't end, then we won't see any medals or the Olympics.

—Now, by the way, such a trend has begun — there used to be an opinion that one should go to the Olympics even under a neutral flag. And now Elena Vyalbe speaks in the spirit of «they all went to hell — let's have a flag, an anthem.» Or almost boycott.

— They did, yes. I myself have always been a supporter of the fact that at least in the box, but you have to get to the Olympics. I myself am an athlete, I understand that a person has been preparing all his life, and he is deprived of the Olympics. But now the situation in the world is such that they simply wipe their feet on us. Hit on the left — substitute the right. And without a flag, and without an anthem, and it is impossible to support a special operation, and if you are from CSKA — Trusov, for example — you cannot.

And yes, they would go. I have already been to two Olympics, when we are in gray uniforms, sealing the flags. You can't sing anything, the anthem doesn't play. Indeed, it is humiliating. Our country is rather big and not the worst in general in the world. calls you (Minister of Sports) Oleg Vasilievich Matytsin and asks — to go under a neutral flag or not? What is your answer?

— If I understand that a couple can be the first or second, no one condemns us for this step and the athletes themselves really want to, I would say that we should go. The chance to go to the Olympics and take a place in the top three is exactly what we ride for. I would take the position of the athletes in this matter. Deputies — well, what do they understand? In politics, yes, of course. From a political point of view, it is bad to travel without a flag and an anthem.

— But deputies often try to speak for the athletes.- This is mistake. It's all the same that an athlete will tell him: «In fact, it's bad to get 450-500 thousand a month like you, dear deputies, when the whole country gets 18.» That's not good either, is it? Or are they all celestials there? Everyone should mind their own business.

— And what do you think about Thomas Bach? For you, is he an anti-Russian president of the IOC, or is he still a hidden ally who is trying to drag Russian athletes to international competitions?

— You won't understand him. I think it has a lot to do with money. Even if you take women's single skating, this is one of the most watchable sports. All international TV channels would pay billions if Trusova, Shcherbakova, Zagitova performed there. Take any trio and take it. And now they are not there — and what should they show?

— By the way, there was an opinion that in Beijing Camila was allowed to participate in the personal tournament at the behest of the TV people.
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— It may very well be. So Bahu, even though he shouted that the Russians should be deprived of everything, he should now be engaged in dragging us back.

— So he is trying, isn't he?